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>Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:55:50 -0500
> memetics@mmu.ac.uk Joachim Maier <jakemaier@adelphia.net> Re: necessity of mental memesReply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>Grant,
>I think there is a fairly simple solution. You do not see the light from
>the big bang. You see light from an star that might have traveled some
>hundred million years into the other direction. There were no stars at the
>time of the big bang. It took a long time for the first stars to form, and
>all that time this matter was travelling in a direction opposite to us.
>I'm not a physicist, so I'm not sure I'm right, but I think it sounds
>plausible. :)
>
>Joachim
>At 07:50 AM 1/24/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>>>Far Edge Party: One of the main problems of exploring the stellar systems
>>>of the galaxy even for very advanced civilizations is that a serial journey
>>>even at the speed of light would take so long time that most of the stars
>>>would have died during the journey.
>>
>>You know, one thing about this speed of light thing and traveling through
>>the galaxy has always puzzled me. In literature on modern cosmology I
>>keep reading that the universe is around 15 billion years old since the
>>big bang from which everything started. We now have telescopes that can
>>bring in light that left galaxies some 12 to 15 billion years ago. So, if
>>the big bang started us all out from the same point at the same time, and
>>nothing can travel faster than light, how did we get here first to receive
>>that light? It's a puzzlement.
>>
>>Grant
>>
The light expanded both utward and inward in the hypersphere, which has similar properties as a 3-d sphere (actually 4-d - 3 spatial plus 1 temporal), but in different planes. For instance, if you travel in one direction on the curved surface of a sphere, you will end up where you started after circumnavigating it. In a hypersphere, whichever direction you travel in its space, you will eventually not reach the edge, but arrive at the point you left after traveling a distance equivalent to the width of the sphere (due to spacetime curvature). Thus, no matter from where you look, to look out in space is to look backward in time, for the deeper you look, the farther the light from what you see had to go to get to you. Light generated by the Big Bang - which was everywhere in the universe at the moment of bangage - has to travel the longest distance.
>>
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