Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id HAA24493 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:12:38 GMT Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:08:17 -0800 Message-Id: <200201250708.g0P78Ha19729@mail18.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [65.80.160.204] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Barren Desolate Wasteland of Superdeterminism Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> <salice@gmx.net> memetics@mmu.ac.ukDate: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:05:17 +0100
> Re: The Barren Desolate Wasteland of SuperdeterminismReply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>On 23 Jan 2002, at 23:31, Philip Jonkers wrote:
>
>> Everything consists of
>> particles which all obey quantum equations of motion, so everything
>> possesses an intrinsic indeterministic seed.
>
>I never really buyed the quantum mechanics idea, i think the
>pseudo-indeterministic observations just result from the current
>inability to measure it right cause we lack the tools and knowledge.
>
>Einstein said something like "God doesn't dice" but even if God
>DOES dice there are still physical rules which define what the
>outcome of the game will be. I think true randomness does not
>exists, it is rather an illusion like free will for instance.
>
Einstein himself did work on Brownian motion, and Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle and Godel's Incompleteness Theorems I and II are mathematically proven. To say that certain classes of quantum and complex reality obey statistical and probabilistic, rather than individual, laws is to assert a degree of randomness on an individual basis for individual members of the sets.
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