Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id UAA18821 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:16:38 GMT Message-ID: <000701c19d38$b84bf680$0da0bed4@default> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> To: "memetics" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: Fw: playing at suicide Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:18:32 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Hi all, untill further notice I will be a lurker, my e- mail problems don 't
seem to end....
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
> > To: memetics <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: playing at suicide
> >
> >
> > > Hi Grant,
> > > I am 4 days behind with my post, so....you wrote,
> > >
> > > > For a loner, you seem to communicate with a lot of people.
> > >
> > > << You can compare this with having a LAT- relationship. I communicate
> > > with the people upon this list and others but I stay on my island, as
> you
> > > put
> > > it. Communicating does not mean to spill out all of your gut feelings.
> > > Don 't get me wrong, I love memetics and I like the discussions, but
to
> be
> > > part of a ' group ' is not my cop of tea. I am, from your point of
view,
> > and
> > > I understand I am, but it is not with my content.
> > >
> > > But most of the kids I grew up with were not really
> > > > indoctrinated. They just went along with what their parents were
> doing
> > > > because that's what they felt comfortable with. The tribal part
came
> > with
> > > > the peers they decided to hang around with.
> > >
> > > << Do you think so !? Are you pretty sure !? You say it in the above,
> not
> > > really indoctinated, but they followed just their parents !? What is
the
> > > difference !? Where is your choise in this !? Indoctrination can take
> many
> > > forms.
> > > Did your parents or your grandmother never said not to hang out with
> cer-
> > > tain kind of guys and people !? You can call it, protection if you
like,
> > but
> > > deep within you are indoctrinated with all kind of belief- systems.
You
> > can
> > > not escape it ! Is the notion not to have sex before marriage a kind
of
> > in-
> > > doctrination or a way of protecting you against the hazzards of life
!?
> > >
> > > And maybe is it very hard to believe but I do not have a circle of
> > friends,
> > > or a particular friend for that matter. If you call memetics a group
> with
> > a
> > > simular view on evolution than you can call us, me part of a '
> religion',
> > I
> > > have
> > > a particular attitude, it was my choise, but then again, it was '
> forced'
> > > upon
> > > me due to certain cicumstances. This list does have a positive
attitude
> > upon
> > > me, I learn a lot, I meet interesting people, but that is not, IMO, as
> > much
> > > as a religious choise ! Please !
> > >
> > > I ain 't gonna say that your point of view is due to the ways where
into
> > you
> > > were raised, as much as me, but the difference lies in the way you and
I
> > see
> > > the world around us. You were, that can be found in your post, always
> > > surrounded with other people, moreover, you deliberate seeked out, or
> they
> > > searched for you, other guys, to hang out with. I did not !
> > > You were ' indoctrinated ' by the notion of being part of some peer-
> > group,
> > > I was not, I am an individual, due like I said by cicumstances beyond
my
> > > control.
> > > The way by which you see how members of societies act is just due to
> that
> > > fact, you think in the ' group ' form, I am more individualistic.
> > >
> > > Everybody, picked out peers who dare to rebel, no matter how you de-
> > > terminate that term. I did too, but after a while I saw the
> imcompleteness
> > > of such a group and lost interest, still.
> > > Religion is not only the practical side of the matter, though.
> > > I live in Belgium, a very old catholic region of the world. Our laws,
> our
> > > rules, behavior, ethics, manners, attitudes, language are packed with
> > > christian dispositions. It is not that I did not attend a catholic
> school
> > > that
> > > I wasn 't indoctrinated with their garbage. We, your daughter, you and
I
> > > pick up memes, unconsciously and live by their rules.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Kenneth
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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