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I see the concept of a hammer as the meme and the hammer itself as the
embodyment of the meme. Use of the hammer is something else, depending on
what it's used for. The question is what is the proper name for each of
these reflections of the meme? Has anyone come up with a rule for this?
Grant
>From: Wade Smith <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:12:21 -0500
>
>On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 12:53 , <salice@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>>I'd say the use depends on the user and the
>>meme just sits there waiting for the next user and his personal
>>task.
>
>All fine and dandy, as long as you can point to this thing.
>
>Admittedly, if we are merely to say that a hammer, as an
>artefact, is a meme, then, there it is.
>
>But, then, what do we call the behavior of the carpenter, and
>the vandal, who both use it?
>
>Who's meme has the hammer?
>
>If the meme is the use of this artefact, than it is only that.
>If the meme is the artefact itself, then it is only that. If the
>meme is the behavior of using this artefact, than it is both,
>and only present during the behavior.
>
>What is it to be?
>
>I, personally, am on the side of the behavior, as actualized.
>Everything else is environment or potential. Memes, for me, are
>actions, regardless of how embued an artefact might be (like the
>SUVwith cultural intention.
>
>>I'd say the use depends on the user and the
>>meme just sits there waiting for the next user and his personal
>>task.
>
>The use does indeed depend upon the user. But the use of what?
>When does the use of something, and the memetic use of that
>something, separate? I don't see them separating at all.
>
>- Wade
>
>
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