Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id DAA06364 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:01:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.110.248.206] From: "Grant Callaghan" <grantc4@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: playing at suicide Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:57:05 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <LAW2-F1307MReAjWLnY0001cd56@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 02:57:05.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C50E8C0:01C19982] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
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>On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 03:38 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
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>>If the baby didn't know it had the need, it wouldn't be able to
>>express it.
>
>Interesting take on instinctual responses. It certainly is able
>to 'express' pain with a scream, as you are.
>
>But, what do you know?
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>And, what do you need that you screamed?
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>I see a real difference between someone wanting, say, a new
>iMac, and a baby crying because its hungry.
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>>She knows because the baby communicated the want or need to her.
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>Is this response, crying, really a communication?
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>- Wade
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If you think a cry of pain is not a meme of communication, consider this --
in America we say "ouch" or "ow" when we feel pain. In Japan, they say
"itai!" or "itai-o!" In China, they say "ai-o" and in the Philippines the
say "apo!" or "apo-da!" In other words, in each culture they found a
different way to express pain. You'd think an instinctual response would
elicit a more uniform way of expressing itself.
Grant
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