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I "know" when I'm hungry only because I know when I last ate. The mother
who did not see her baby for 2 days will not know right away whether the
baby is hungry, needs some attention, or fresh diapers. She will find out
by trial and error.
I only will know that there is still water in the teapot and a heat source
under it when it whistles, I will not know whether the teapot wants or
needs to be poured. Maybe an musician wants to use it as an instrument in a
teapot composition.
I will not know whether I have a stomach ache because I am hungry or be
cause I have a virus, unless I know when I last ate, It very likely will
not feel different.
Joachim
At 06:39 PM 1/9/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>>Richard,
>>Does the whistling teapot need to be poured?
>>Joachim
>>
>>At 01:15 PM 1/9/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>>><<Almost any mother can listen to her baby and tell you if it wants milk, a
>>>diaper change, or just some attention. She knows because the baby
>>>communicated the want or need to her. If the baby didn't know it had the
>>>need, it wouldn't be able to express it.>>
>>>
>>>Does a whistling teapot know it needs to be poured?
>Are babies no more conscious than a teapot? Do you know when you're
>hungry? How do you know? Do you find ways to solve the problem? I
>suspect there are times when you could solve the problem by whistling. ;-)>
>
>Grant
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