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> You think that with their article the writers will get some genetic
> advantage !?
Hm maybe, maybe not.
I actually don't think that they would get any genetic advantage but
certain genes/alleles they carry... are shared by lots of others.
Let's see it like that. Darwian theory says that lifeforms have to
survive in the existing environment. For us humans this
environment is already largely human-shaped. We don't only
survive in the environment but try to shape it in a way to make it
easier to survive in, make others with similar genes more able to
survive in it. This can cause conflicts when different people want
different environments. That's what cultural evolution is based on in
my eyes.
> Like I said, they made some mistakes, some points do need clarification,
> some issues raised can be applied as points of discussion upon this list,
> but I don 't think that this was all intentional.
> On the other hand, keeping in mind that their memes are dna- slaves, they
> have no other way to write or even think about these things.
> The opposite would be more surprising.....
Sure, they were not aware of it and i'm not blaiming them for that,
according to my view i do just the same! What i was annoyed of is
that they make general claims. They don't say "we don't like this
and that" but make general claims that "nobody likes this and
that". I just think that memetics should observe tastes from an
outside perspective without letting own tastes take over.
It's like a biologist would claim "men don't like red haired women"
because he doesn't like them (actually some make these kind of
statements, maybe not based on hair color but other aspects).
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