Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id SAA01248 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:18:28 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:54:47 +0000 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Study shows brain can learn without really trying Message-ID: <20011120165447.A644@ii01.org> References: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3102A6D132@inchna.stir.ac.uk> <000201c171cd$3366e420$4386b2d1@teddace> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000201c171cd$3366e420$4386b2d1@teddace> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22i From: Robin Faichney <robin@ii01.org> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:25:25PM -0800, Dace wrote:
>
> We can speak of a proto-culture among primates, or even ants, but it's not
> the same as human culture. The elements are there, but it hasn't "come to
> life," so to speak. It's the seed, not the tree. Not so different from the
> proto-capitalism of antiquity as compared to the true capitalism of
> modernity. Memes are only really *memes* when they've germinated under the
> heat lamp of human consciousness and, after getting buried, begin to work
> their magic. Only then are they carriers of culture. If the replicating
> behavior or concept is strictly a function of unreflective mentality, then
> it's just biology. There's no need to call it a "meme." Just a simple,
> organic habit.
Tell me, Ted, where did you get the idea that memes are ideas? As opposed,
say, to patterns of behaviour?
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