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Robin, I do see memes as beliefs/ideas rather then actions or patterns of
behavior. Behavior, as I use the term, ids the resultant of several
activities that take place in the brain, including the operation of beliefs
there, plus external conditions that limit or encourage specific patterns.
Does this make sense? Of course, others may define it in other ways. I've
found this way to be productive of analysis and research, as well as
practical application.
Lawrence
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> Of Robin Faichney
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> Subject: Re: Study shows brain can learn without really trying
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>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:25:25PM -0800, Dace wrote:
> >
> > We can speak of a proto-culture among primates, or even ants,
> but it's not
> > the same as human culture. The elements are there, but it
> hasn't "come to
> > life," so to speak. It's the seed, not the tree. Not so
> different from the
> > proto-capitalism of antiquity as compared to the true capitalism of
> > modernity. Memes are only really *memes* when they've
> germinated under the
> > heat lamp of human consciousness and, after getting buried,
> begin to work
> > their magic. Only then are they carriers of culture. If the
> replicating
> > behavior or concept is strictly a function of unreflective
> mentality, then
> > it's just biology. There's no need to call it a "meme." Just a simple,
> > organic habit.
>
> Tell me, Ted, where did you get the idea that memes are ideas?
> As opposed,
> say, to patterns of behaviour?
>
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Robin Faichney
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