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On 9 May 2001, at 10:26, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 02:15:28PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > > > Bingo! J is inaccessible, like Kant's noumenon or Sartre's
> en-soi > or Husserl's ding an sich; if it were accessible, it would be
> I. It is > the information that would be available if Heisenbergian
> restrictions > did not apply - but they do; it is therefore an
> abstract ideal > construct, having no observable or testable real,
> concrete, > empirical referent. Thus, it is very strange for someone
> to claim to > be able to calculate the disparity between J and I, for
> that is quite > simply claiming to be able to calculate the disparity
> between the > knowable and the unknowable.
>
> Can you explain how, using "the unknowable", Frieden and colleagues
> were able to derive physical laws to the satisfaction of physics
> journal reviewers?
>
> Personally, I suspect that what's critical is *amounts* of
> information, so they only need a single figure for J in any particular
> system, the number of bits.
>
> You have Frieden's book, don't you, Joe? Can you confirm that?
>
friedan does not need to calculate the incalculable in order to
compare it with the calculable; he merely needs to derive the
parameters of the different fuzzinesses, beneath which
heisenbergian constraints will not allow is to fix measurement more
precisely; it is from the specific characters of these fuzzinesses,
and the ruiles governing their mathematical description, that
particular laws emerge. And yes, I own the book.
> --
> Robin Faichney
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