Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id LAA04238 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 9 May 2001 11:14:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:26:33 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Information Message-ID: <20010509102633.B480@ii01.org> References: <3AF5ECA7.4F801F8A@wehi.edu.au> <3AF7FF80.106.3BDEF5@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <3AF7FF80.106.3BDEF5@localhost>; from joedees@bellsouth.net on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 02:15:28PM -0500 From: Robin Faichney <robin@ii01.org> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 02:15:28PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >
> Bingo! J is inaccessible, like Kant's noumenon or Sartre's en-soi
> or Husserl's ding an sich; if it were accessible, it would be I. It is
> the information that would be available if Heisenbergian restrictions
> did not apply - but they do; it is therefore an abstract ideal
> construct, having no observable or testable real, concrete,
> empirical referent. Thus, it is very strange for someone to claim to
> be able to calculate the disparity between J and I, for that is quite
> simply claiming to be able to calculate the disparity between the
> knowable and the unknowable.
Can you explain how, using "the unknowable", Frieden and colleagues
were able to derive physical laws to the satisfaction of physics journal
reviewers?
Personally, I suspect that what's critical is *amounts* of information,
so they only need a single figure for J in any particular system, the
number of bits.
You have Frieden's book, don't you, Joe? Can you confirm that?
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