Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id NAA04506 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 9 May 2001 13:09:03 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 12:54:14 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Information Message-ID: <20010509125414.B11502@ii01.org> References: <3AF2D280.1640.7E145E@localhost>; <20010505133340.B1058@ii01.org> <3AF802CC.28834.48BE56@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <3AF802CC.28834.48BE56@localhost>; from joedees@bellsouth.net on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 02:29:32PM -0500 From: Robin Faichney <robin@ii01.org> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 02:29:32PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> On 5 May 2001, at 13:33, Robin Faichney wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry, but that quote seems to me to support my position. Perhaps
> > you'd be good enough to explain?
> >
> The part about observer participation giving rise to information
> (which in turn gives rise to physics) is as clear as a bell; in the
> absence of observer participation, one cannot claim information, for
> there is no participating observer for it to INFORM. As for all things
> physical being information-theoretic in origin, that's information-
> theoretic FOR US, who formulate theories from the information we,
> as participant observers, apprehend, via perception, from our
> perspectives upon the physical and participatory universe we
> inhabit.
As usual, you fall back on insisting that "information" only be used
where someone is actually "informed". That concerns the most useful
way to use the word, and is necessarily a matter of opinion, about
which we differ. Everything else you say there is fine by me.
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