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On 5 May 2001, at 13:33, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:02:08PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > On 3 May 2001, at 18:33, Robin Faichney wrote: > > > More generally,
> in thermodynamics, material structure is considered as > >
> information, and is inversely proportional to entropy. If you want to
> > > argue with that, I suggest you seek out an appropriate forum --
> but I > > doubt you'll convince many physicists to adopt your view. >
> > > Except the physicist John A. Wheeler, who is quoted approvingly >
> at both the beginning and the end of Friedan's book. I repeat the >
> quote for your benefit: > > All things physical are
> information-theoretic in origin and this is > a participatory
> universe...Observer participation gives rise to > information, and
> information gives rise to physics. > > Apparently, Friedan, Wheeler
> and Heisenberg, as physicists, all > understood the phenomenological
> lesson you, as a wannabe > philosopher, have yet to learn.
>
> I'm sorry, but that quote seems to me to support my position. Perhaps
> you'd be good enough to explain?
>
The part about observer participation giving rise to information
(which in turn gives rise to physics) is as clear as a bell; in the
absence of observer participation, one cannot claim information, for
there is no participating observer for it to INFORM. As for all things
physical being information-theoretic in origin, that's information-
theoretic FOR US, who formulate theories from the information we,
as participant observers, apprehend, via perception, from our
perspectives upon the physical and participatory universe we
inhabit.
> --
> Robin Faichney
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