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On 5 May 2001, at 14:07, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 08:52:53AM -0400, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> > On 05/04/01 05:30, Robin Faichney said this-
> >
> > >I'm talking about the information that's
> > >intrinsic to every physical system, that Frieden and colleagues
> > >have used *successfully* to derive the laws of physics.
> >
> > And, sure, I can understand that. But, if this intrinsic (is this
> > Fisher?) information is _not_ derived, and the law of physics issued
> > therefrom, of what significance is it, or could it possibly have?
> >
> > Significance- 2. A meaning that is expressed.
>
> I'm no physicist, and I don't know exactly how intrinsic information
> is handled by Frieden. (It's not Fisher information -- that's the
> sort that *can* be extracted from the system.) But for me, if its use
> allows the laws of physics to be derived, then it's significant.
>
> Significance: 3. Importance; moment; weight; consequence.
>
Actually, the laws that emerge are artifacts of the reduction of the
measurement fuzziness as far as is possible given Hesenbergian
restraints. One cannot use the gap between the knowable and the
unknowable to derive anything, because if one of the terminii is
unknowable, so is the extent of the gap (doh!).
> --
> Robin Faichney
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