Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id UAA03122 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 8 May 2001 20:35:16 +0100 From: <joedees@bellsouth.net> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:37:51 -0500 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Information Message-ID: <3AF804BF.18774.505BE1@localhost> In-reply-to: <20010505133035.A1058@ii01.org> References: <3AF2CDEF.20100.6C3DAE@localhost>; from joedees@bellsouth.net on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 03:42:39PM -0500 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On 5 May 2001, at 13:30, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 03:42:39PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > On 3 May 2001, at 19:36, Robin Faichney wrote: > > > On Wed, May 02,
> 2001 at 10:56:15PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > > > We
> cannot fall into the behaviorist trap of > > > dismissing the
> unobserved as nonexistent... > > > > You seem very happy to do just
> that regarding information. > > > But information is different, in
> that unless it INFORMs someone, > that is, unless it is observed, it
> is not INFORMation, but pattern or > configuration. It cannot possess
> significance or meaning unless it > signifies or means something to
> someone. I have no doubt that > unobserved pattern, structure and/or
> configuration indeed exists, > but as it is unobserved, no one is
> INFORMed concerning its > particularities, thus there is no INFORMing,
> hence no > INFORMation. The systematically configured marks in books
> only > become information when someone is writing or reading them.
>
> So what do you think of the use of "information" in communication
> theory? Is that all wrong too? Are you the only one that's in step?
>
There is code, carrier and message in information theory, and the
code encodes some semantic content (the message) in a medium
of exchange (the carrier). It is sent by a sender and received by a
rerceiver. The message is the way a sender INFORMS a receiver
of a particular semantic content (the message) sent via a particular
action/perception medium (the carrier) and using a commonly
understood code. The person not commonly understanding both
the premisis and consequences of information theory is you, Robin.
> --
> Robin Faichney
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