Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id XAA27030 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sat, 5 May 2001 23:46:46 +0100 Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 13:30:35 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Information Message-ID: <20010505133035.A1058@ii01.org> References: <3AF0908F.757.FB2CC2@localhost>; <20010503193657.A592@ii01.org> <3AF2CDEF.20100.6C3DAE@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <3AF2CDEF.20100.6C3DAE@localhost>; from joedees@bellsouth.net on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 03:42:39PM -0500 From: Robin Faichney <robin@ii01.org> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 03:42:39PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> On 3 May 2001, at 19:36, Robin Faichney wrote:
>
> > On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:56:15PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >
> > > We cannot fall into the behaviorist trap of
> > > dismissing the unobserved as nonexistent...
> >
> > You seem very happy to do just that regarding information.
> >
> But information is different, in that unless it INFORMs someone,
> that is, unless it is observed, it is not INFORMation, but pattern or
> configuration. It cannot possess significance or meaning unless it
> signifies or means something to someone. I have no doubt that
> unobserved pattern, structure and/or configuration indeed exists,
> but as it is unobserved, no one is INFORMed concerning its
> particularities, thus there is no INFORMing, hence no
> INFORMation. The systematically configured marks in books only
> become information when someone is writing or reading them.
So what do you think of the use of "information" in communication theory?
Is that all wrong too? Are you the only one that's in step?
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