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On 9 May 2001, at 12:54, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 02:29:32PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > On 5 May 2001, at 13:33, Robin Faichney wrote: > > > I'm sorry, but
> that quote seems to me to support my position. Perhaps > > you'd be
> good enough to explain? > > > The part about observer participation
> giving rise to information > (which in turn gives rise to physics) is
> as clear as a bell; in the > absence of observer participation, one
> cannot claim information, for > there is no participating observer for
> it to INFORM. As for all things > physical being
> information-theoretic in origin, that's information- > theoretic FOR
> US, who formulate theories from the information we, > as participant
> observers, apprehend, via perception, from our > perspectives upon the
> physical and participatory universe we > inhabit.
>
> As usual, you fall back on insisting that "information" only be used
> where someone is actually "informed". That concerns the most useful
> way to use the word, and is necessarily a matter of opinion, about
> which we differ. Everything else you say there is fine by me.
>
The point is that the quote (and the entire premise of Fisher
information physics) does not support your apprehender-is-
unnecessary intrinsic-information position, but instead contradicts
it.
> --
> Robin Faichney
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