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From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Determinism
> On 13 Apr 2001, at 15:04, Aaron Agassi wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robin Faichney" <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
> > To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: Determinism
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 08:14:48PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net
> > > wrote:
> > > > On 12 Apr 2001, at 12:44, Robin Faichney wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:02:37PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Scientific conclusion: A (the higher announced decision)
> > > > > > > causes B
> > > > > > (the accessing of the particular area of the supporting lower
> > > > > > >
> > > > > material substrate). Once again, it's called science...
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought you said causal chains can't be traced in such complex
> > > > > systems as the mind/brain?
> > > > >
> > > > Not precisely, down to the specific neurons, axons, synapses and
> > > > codings involved, but to the general cortical areas subtending
> > > > particular cognitive functions, such as modes of perception or
> > > > memory, yes. We are ourselves the self-testified ("I;m gonna read
> > > > the text now, I'm gonna listen to the music now, etc.) causes of
> > > > these PET-scan recorded neural effects.
> > >
> > > So we can't actually trace causality, but we can suppose it to exist
> > > wherever it seems to be required? That's convenient.
> > >
> > It is a perfectly good hypothesis, that effects of unknown origin may
> > also be caused, causation having previously been observed, explaining
> > all manner of other effects. This hypothesis still entails somewhat
> > less sheer supposition than any competing hypothesis of which I am
> > aware.
> >
> It entails the massive sheer supposition that a quality observed in
> some things but not in others (such as P-E pairs, brownian motion
> and human freedom) generalizes to subsume not only those
> things, but all unobserved things as well, throughout our entire
> cosmos and psyche.
And yet, it remains the most elegant hypothesis, among those known thus far.
The others demanding some unknown and unnecessary entity.
> > > --
> > > Robin Faichney
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