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On 13 Apr 2001, at 15:04, Aaron Agassi wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robin Faichney" <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: Determinism
>
>
> > On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 08:14:48PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net
> > wrote:
> > > On 12 Apr 2001, at 12:44, Robin Faichney wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:02:37PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Scientific conclusion: A (the higher announced decision)
> > > > > > causes B
> > > > > (the accessing of the particular area of the supporting lower
> > > > > >
> > > > material substrate). Once again, it's called science...
> > > >
> > > > I thought you said causal chains can't be traced in such complex
> > > > systems as the mind/brain?
> > > >
> > > Not precisely, down to the specific neurons, axons, synapses and
> > > codings involved, but to the general cortical areas subtending
> > > particular cognitive functions, such as modes of perception or
> > > memory, yes. We are ourselves the self-testified ("I;m gonna read
> > > the text now, I'm gonna listen to the music now, etc.) causes of
> > > these PET-scan recorded neural effects.
> >
> > So we can't actually trace causality, but we can suppose it to exist
> > wherever it seems to be required? That's convenient.
> >
> It is a perfectly good hypothesis, that effects of unknown origin may
> also be caused, causation having previously been observed, explaining
> all manner of other effects. This hypothesis still entails somewhat
> less sheer supposition than any competing hypothesis of which I am
> aware.
>
It entails the massive sheer supposition that a quality observed in
some things but not in others (such as P-E pairs, brownian motion
and human freedom) generalizes to subsume not only those
things, but all unobserved things as well, throughout our entire
cosmos and psyche.
> > --
> > Robin Faichney
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