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From: "Robin Faichney" <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Determinism
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 08:14:48PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > On 12 Apr 2001, at 12:44, Robin Faichney wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:02:37PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > > > > Scientific conclusion: A (the higher announced decision) causes B
> > > > (the accessing of the particular area of the supporting lower >
> > > material substrate). Once again, it's called science...
> > >
> > > I thought you said causal chains can't be traced in such complex
> > > systems as the mind/brain?
> > >
> > Not precisely, down to the specific neurons, axons, synapses and
> > codings involved, but to the general cortical areas subtending
> > particular cognitive functions, such as modes of perception or
> > memory, yes. We are ourselves the self-testified ("I;m gonna read
> > the text now, I'm gonna listen to the music now, etc.) causes of
> > these PET-scan recorded neural effects.
>
> So we can't actually trace causality, but we can suppose it to exist
> wherever it seems to be required? That's convenient.
>
It is a perfectly good hypothesis, that effects of unknown origin may also
be caused, causation having previously been observed, explaining all manner
of other effects. This hypothesis still entails somewhat less sheer
supposition than any competing hypothesis of which I am aware.
> --
> Robin Faichney
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