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From: "Robin Faichney" <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Determinism
> On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 12:36:01PM -0400, Aaron Agassi wrote:
> >
> > > Which is quite strange, considering that objectivity is unattainable;
> > > the best we can do is intersubjective agreement.
> >
> > Never the less, we still seek to improve our knowledge of truth
> > (correspondence to reality). And besides subjectivity, there is also
> > relativity. And the question remains whether subjective freedom is
illusory
> > or simply relative to the subjective frame of reference, thus as
objectively
> > real as superdeterminism, globally.
>
> What does "relative to the subjective frame of reference" mean?
>
The subjective frame of reference in which freedom obtains, and choices must
be made in imperfect knowledge, in no way contradicts with the global view
that must be superdeterministic.
Freedom is subjective, not illusory.
A frame of reference is a point of view from a particular position in space
time, or other particular situation.
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> Robin Faichney
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