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From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: Determinism
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aaron Agassi <agassi@erols.com>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Determinism
>
>
> > Why does perfect knowledge negate freedom?
> > More precisely, perfect knowledge would negate choice. Because the more
> one
> > knows, this tends to narrow one's choices. -Down to the one optimal
> > decision, given adequate knowledge. And perfect knowledge would
certainly
> be
> > adequate!
>
> << Just buzzin ' in here,
>
> Just a question, if you write perfect knowledge would negate choise, is
> that than the choise you can or would or should make, or do you mean
> that by having perfect knowledge that you negate the choises of others !?
I was referring to one's own choices, always narrowed down to the one
optimum decision, as perfect knowledge entails complete freedom from doubt.
> IMO, the second is some what closer to some truth, because people
> with perfect knowledge can not only perfect predict the outcome of what-
> ever system and thereby the possible behavior of those involved but have
> than also the power to " change " in their favor the system.
>
> I have doubts that people with perfect knowledge would shown predictable
> behavior in the first place. In your comments to Vincent you wrote that
> freedom is characterized by predictable behavior, but that only counts
> for those on the bottom of the latter...for those who are ( by their own
> freedom or by their own free will) than be called predictable.
> But who will " control " those with the perfect knowledge?
> Dissipations and excesses will be there forever.
>
Are you posing the question of a chess game between two people each with
perfect knowledge? Otherwise, I don't understand.
> Best
>
> Kenneth
>
> ( I am, because we are) free
>
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