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Hi Aaron,
I wrote,
> > I have doubts that people with perfect knowledge would shown predictable
> > behavior in the first place. In your comments to Vincent you wrote that
> > freedom is characterized by predictable behavior, but that only counts
> > for those on the bottom of the latter...for those who are ( by their own
> > freedom or by their own free will) than be called predictable.
> > But who will " control " those with the perfect knowledge?
> > Dissipations and excesses will be there forever.
You asked,
> Are you posing the question of a chess game between two people each with
> perfect knowledge? Otherwise, I don't understand.
No, I don 't refer to a chess game. I mean, if someone has perfect know-
ledge the only outcome can be that people who has not perfect knowledge
than have as the only ones existing predictable behavior.
That due to the ones with the perfect knowledge their or hers/ his actions.
Freedom is than indeed characterized by predictable behavior but not by
the choises made by those who has not perfect knowledge. Their behavior
is indeed predictable but is not free. The illusion is there maybe...
If that is the case, if people with perfect knowledge are controlling people
with no such ability, who controls those with the perfect knowledge !?
Do they restrict themselves in their actions in order not to harm those
less fortunate or are they playing games like the old Greek gods did...
Just a question...
Hopes this explains it better,
Best,
Kenneth
( I am, because we are) (not) perfect
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