Re: Determinism

From: Chris Taylor (Christopher.Taylor@man.ac.uk)
Date: Thu Apr 05 2001 - 11:00:06 BST

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    > There could exist no such thing as meaning in a superdetermined world, nor could
    > there have been any reason for our self-conscious awarenesses to have evolved
    > without the ability to reflect not conferring someevolutionary advantage, which
    > it certainly wouldn't if (and this is the absurd consequence of superdeterminism)
    > every motion of all our bodies was indelibly written on ths parchment of the
    > universe one nanosecond after the Big Bang.

    Many futures for the universe are equally valid looking forward (to us
    and anything else but a godlike philosophical construct), but looking
    back, you can find reasons. How would you know, before the fact, that
    your superdetermined path wasn't randomly determined rather than
    inevitable? Therefore why would it make any difference to us simple folk
    (or organic evolution)?

    As for proof - push your coffee cup to the edge of the table, watch it
    fall. Cause, effect. I can think of more if you want...

    > Actually, the idea that perfect knowledge of the present would allow
    > perfect prediction of the future omits the fact that some events are
    > indeed random, i.e. uncaused, such as positron-electron pairs

    At the start of this I specifically said that, ignoring the quantum, I
    could find no *other* ghosts in these machines; this was defensive
    posturing, but to my surprise I am assured that the quantum may well be
    just as determinable as the classical but requires methods to examine
    Planck scale phenomena. The guy who assures me is a rather heavyweight
    physicist, so I have to believe him...

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    BTW what word suits better for evolution's 'official' status?
    [that 'sic' really got my back up]

    Hypertext Webster Gateway: "provisional"

    From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) (web1913)

    Provisional \Pro*vi"sion*al\, a. [Cf. F. provisionnel.] Of the nature of
    a provision; serving as a provision for the time being; -- used of
    partial or temporary arrangements; as, a provisional government; a
    provisional treaty.

    From WordNet (r) 1.6 (wn)

    provisional adj : under terms not final or fully worked out or agreed
    upon; "probationary employees"; "a provisional government"; "just a
    tentative schedule" [syn: {probationary}, {provisionary}, {tentative}]

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