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From: "Robin Faichney" <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: Determinism
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:55:38PM -0400, Aaron Agassi wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Free choices being subjective, then, do not contradict
with
> > > > > > objective
> > > > > > > > > > determinism.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You got it!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now all we have to do is get it clear that subjectivity is
not
> > > > > > generally
> > > > > > > > > inferior (or superior) to objectivity.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What ever are you talking about?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again, I have to spell it out: despite being subjective,
freedom
> > is
> > > > just
> > > > > > > as real as -- something real.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Where does superiority or inferiority come into it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Illusions are generally considered inferior to real phenomena.
> > > > >
> > > > I don't understand.
> > >
> > > Don't you prefer reality over dealing with illusions?
> > >
> > Preference is another question.
>
> I don't think it's entirely rational either, but you'll find there's
> quite a widespread preference for objectivity over subjectivity.
>
The entire point being, that freedom, in all of it's subjectivity, may be
deemed not illusory, as such, but, rather, only relative to it's frame of
reference, as it where.
> --
> Robin Faichney
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