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On 28 Mar 2001, at 19:50, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:32:42PM -0600, Lloyd Robertson wrote:
> > At 11:01 AM 27/03/01 +0100, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> > > You believe that through meditation, you will achieve some kind of
> > >altered state (conceptual emptiness you say below) in which one
> > >better perceives/understands life the universe and everything,
> > >right?
> > >
> > Zen Buddhist guru, Alan W. Watts once said that enlightment may be
> > obtained thru many years of strict meditative practice; but that,
> > from his experience, it could also be obtained thru the use of
> > psychodelic drugs - and quicker!
>
> Watts was not a Zen Buddhist guru, but an interpreter of Buddhism and
> Daoism to the West who may have been considered a guru by some
> Westerners. And if you think I'm quibbling there, you might be right.
>
> By my understanding and experience, enlightenment can be achieved
> while under the influence of psych*a*delics, but the state wears off
> pretty quickly, like the drug, whereas if attained by the more
> traditional, long-term means, it's more likely to stay.
>
It's spelled psych"E"delics. People cannot meditate all their lives,
either, any more than they can trip all the time, but the memory of
either may be accorded enlightening by the experiencers.
> --
> Robin Faichney
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