Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id UAA12973 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:19:05 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:50:30 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Demise of a Meme Message-ID: <20010328195030.D11214@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745D1E@inchna.stir.ac.uk > <3.0.5.32.20010327223242.0081ad70@mailhost.rongenet.sk.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010327223242.0081ad70@mailhost.rongenet.sk.ca>; from hawkeye@rongenet.sk.ca on Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:32:42PM -0600 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:32:42PM -0600, Lloyd Robertson wrote:
> At 11:01 AM 27/03/01 +0100, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> > You believe that through meditation, you will achieve some kind of
> >altered state (conceptual emptiness you say below) in which one better
> >perceives/understands life the universe and everything, right?
> >
> Zen Buddhist guru, Alan W. Watts once said that enlightment may be obtained
> thru many years of strict meditative practice; but that, from his
> experience, it could also be obtained thru the use of psychodelic drugs -
> and quicker!
Watts was not a Zen Buddhist guru, but an interpreter of Buddhism and
Daoism to the West who may have been considered a guru by some Westerners.
And if you think I'm quibbling there, you might be right.
By my understanding and experience, enlightenment can be achieved while
under the influence of psych*a*delics, but the state wears off pretty
quickly, like the drug, whereas if attained by the more traditional,
long-term means, it's more likely to stay.
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