Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id NAA24274 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:32:31 GMT Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745CE4@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Toggling nature's auto-erase Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:29:03 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
There's another link between Manhunter and the later Lecter films- Hannibal
is played by a British actor (a scotsman who's name escapes me, literally as
I write), who plays him, as does welshman hopkins with an english accent.
I haven't see the new film yet- but I have read the novel- but beware
spoiling it for others!
Vincent
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> From: Scott Chase
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> Subject: RE: Toggling nature's auto-erase
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> >From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
> >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >To: "memetics list" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> >Subject: RE: Toggling nature's auto-erase
> >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:23:30 -0500
> >
> >On 03/14/01 05:40, Vincent Campbell said this-
> >
> > >From a memetics point of view, this whole area is very interesting. Do
> > >memes work because they are attuned to the range of sensory inputs that
>
> >our
> > >filtering mechanisms allow into normal consciousness? Is that why when
> a
> > >colleague of mine kept singing a snippet of 'quando, quando, quando' ,
> >and I
> > >then had it banging around my head for days? (If you know it,
> apologies,
> >as
> > >I bet it'll be going round your head later today.)
> >
> >One has to know the tune, firstly, or hear it. "Quando, quando, quando"
> >is totally unreferenced in my head, and so, no, it entered and left with
> >dispatch. On the other hand, I've been carrying around, intentionally,
> >the little tune that Jan Hammer wrote for the humorous portions of the
> >Miami Vice episode called 'Phil the Shill', which was on TNN last night.
> >Before that, I was intentionally wandering around with Bill Frisell's
> >'What Do We Do' between my virtual ears.
> >
> >Why? Because I like 'em.
> >
> >Memes do seem to work as filters, and I'm beginning to see them as only
> >this- immediate indexers of perceptions. There is something about the
> >ideas of surrealism that have always attracted me in this regard -
> >
> >"(Surrealism) declares that it is able, by its own means, to uproot
> >thought from an increasingly cruel state of thralldom, to steer it back
> >onto the path of total comprehension, return it to its original purity."
> >- Andre Breton
> >
> >- to the point of which I have declared, manifesto-like, "To a life
> >without memes!" which, to me, is a utopian and ideal state, as I have
> >increasingly begun to see memetic processes as artificial and
> >manipulistic, as I have certainly seen the motivations of those who
> >profess to be 'memetic engineers' as faintly if at all divorced from
> >propagandists.
> >
> >The idea needs to come first. If one puts spin on it and calls that spin
> >'memetic engineering', the idea is lost. It is up to religions and laws
> >to so something ethically useful with it at that point....
> >
> >"Let us not mince words: the marvelous is always beautiful. Anything
> >marvelous is beautiful, in fact only the marvelous is beautiful."
> >Andre Breton, 1924
> >
> >If memetics has anything to do with distorting the beautiful, it is
> false.
> >
> >
> First things first, thanx for pointing out that Vice is on TNN. It's on
> right now. I was a Vice-addict and now I'm back off the wagon to recovery.
>
> Second, would the rampant propogation of cheap Armani knock-off jackets
> with
> obligatory t-shirts and dress shoes with no socks back in the eighties
> qualify as a memetic epidemic? Would Michael Mann be a pioneer in memetic
> engineeering? Well, most Vice-heads probably couldn't afford the white
> Ferrari Testarossa, but may have opted for the Daytona Spyder kit car
> based
> on a Corvette chassis (which IIRC Ferrari forced the show to do away with
> in
> a very explosive scene involving a handheld rocket launcher).
> If anyone saw Adam Sandler's movie "The Wedding Singer", wasn't there
> somebody in that film who tried to dress like Sonny Crockett/Burnett? IMO,
>
> even the "Nash Bridges" show tries to play towards "Miami Vice" a little.
>
> The musical score for Vice probably added to its appeal. IIRC there were a
>
> couple soundtracks available including Ian Hammer's stuff and then current
>
> popular music. The Miami skyline didn't hurt either. I can't recall
> whether
> Coconut Grove made any cameo appearances.
>
> As an aside, I think it was Michael Mann who did the first movie with
> Hannibal Lector (called "Manhunter"). I saw this back when it was released
>
> in he mid-80's, but didn't realize the connection with "Silence of the
> Lambs" until fairly recently. The latest "Hannibal" movie is quite
> disturbing, especially where Ray Liotta tries some new cuisine at his own
> expense. Hopefully these Lecter flicks don't have any deleterious memetic
> impact on modern culture.
>
>
>
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