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We all laughed heartily in the UK, when Phil Collins said 'wanker' on Miami
Vice, a major British swear-word, which he got past the show's producers.
Ironic given that the show's penchant for slow-motion sequences of people
getting shot were edited by the BBC for UK audiences, but in the US it's the
swearing that gets censored.
On the more relevant question, I think this is issue of the relationship
between culture and technology, and thus memes is important. Is the wheel,
say, not a meme in some sense?
Vincent
> ----------
> From: Wade T.Smith
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:28 am
> To: Memetics Discussion List
> Subject: Art deco TV
>
> Hi Scott Chase -
>
> >First things first, thanx for pointing out that Vice is on TNN. It's on
> >right now. I was a Vice-addict and now I'm back off the wagon to
> recovery.
>
> You're welcome. I stumbled onto it quite by accident, and the usual
> testosterone driven need to work the remote to death.
>
> >Second, would the rampant propogation of cheap Armani knock-off jackets
> with
> >obligatory t-shirts and dress shoes with no socks back in the eighties
> >qualify as a memetic epidemic? Would Michael Mann be a pioneer in memetic
>
> >engineeering?
>
> I should scan in some of my wedding pictures, but, I ain't that much of a
> masochist. Miami Vice brought in a whole ream of fads to mainstream TV.
>
> >The musical score for Vice probably added to its appeal.
>
> Indeed. It was unique. Jan Hammer (yup, at least two soundtrack albums,
> at least, I've got two...) worked alone for the most part, scoring each
> show individually, until he burned out. The show also relied to a great
> extent on popular music of the period, even having guest stars from the
> music industry. Hell, Frank Zappa, and Miles Davis, and Phil Collins, and
> Ted Nugent, and Glenn Fry, and Sheena Easton, and, Penn and Teller (well,
> they do play music sometimes), to name a few, were on the show....
>
> >As an aside, I think it was Michael Mann who did the first movie with
> >Hannibal Lector (called "Manhunter").
>
> Yup. And Vice did a very nice little show about a psycho, with Crockett
> doing the cop-too-close-to-the-case.
>
> It was also one of the first shows on TV to utilize the new (at the time)
> stereo broadcast technology, which is why you might see the 'Broadcast in
> Stereo' at the bottom of the opening credits. Today, it is expected, like
> color.
>
> Technology however, in some way I cannot comprehend, is not memetic. I
> clutch at environmental, but that is not adequate either. The link
> between technology and culture may actually be memetics.
>
> - Wade
>
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