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On 8 Mar 2001, at 8:22, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 07:21:47PM -0600, Lloyd Robertson wrote:
> > Interesting, until recently I was of the opinion that memes existed
> > both inside and outside the head, in different forms. Now I am
> > tending to believe that memes do not exist in either place -
> > artifacts, behaviors and neural patterning are all phenotypes. What
> > do you think?
>
> I belong to the camp that believes it's generally misleading and
> unproductive to seek very close parallels between genetics and
> memetics, but in fact this is not too far from my view -- I see memes
> as *encoded* in artifacts, behaviour and neural patterns, so to view
> these as memetic phenotypes -- memotypes, if you like -- is maybe not
> *too* misleading.
>
There can be no memes (messages or meanings) separate from
carrier and code, or physical substrate and its configuration. This
applies equally to neural patterns, behaviors (including speech
acts), and artifacts, including but not restricted to texts (for
instance, tools stand for their uses).
> --
> Robin Faichney
> All you need to know about information in general and memetics in
> particular (or 20% thereof): http://www.ii01.org
>
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