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On 18 Feb 2001, at 13:04, Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Mills <mmills@htcomp.net>
>
>
> > At 10:49 AM 2/17/01 -0800, you wrote:
> > >But the idea of a memetic germ line is still a problem. Memory
> > >organization does not pass directly from person to person, while
> > >genes and chromosomes do pass directly from parent to child.
> > Maybe the term 'ontogenetic replicator' would make more sense?
> > That's the model I'm suggesting. Once ontogeny starts, the organism
> > begins memorizing. The memory structures that can be replicated are
> > memes. Consider the notion of an 'object-oriented database' with
> > multiple levels of organization and the ability to bootstrap itself.
> > That's the model I have in mind. An object-oriented datastructure
> > that builds itself. The fact that cellular replication uses source
> > DNA does and memetics uses sources itself does not change the
> > parallel nature of the activity. I think the recent publication of
> > human genome findings supports this objected oriented, bootstrapping
> > datastructure concept. Both memes and genes use it. The difference
> > is their substrates.
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Same argument here for you as for Bill. Your ontogenetic replicator
> concept seems to be following the lines of what I see as the fractal
> structure of evolution....(L )amarckain/ (D )arwinian...and so on...L/
> D/ L / D/... Strange though, that having lesser genes than expected
> had to come to this...but I like it !! Maybe I do not have to stop
> thinking stuff like this after all...
>
Actually, what Mark is describing sounds a whole lot like
autopoetic theory (AUTOPOEISIS AND COGNITION: THE
REALIZATION OF THE LIVING, Maturana & Varela, 1980;
PRINCIPLES OF BIOLOGICAL AUTONOMY, Varela, 1979).
>
> Best,
>
> Kenneth
>
> ( I am, because we are) back on track
>
>
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