Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id LAA06159 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:30:49 GMT Message-ID: <002b01c099a3$1abeba40$0d0fbed4@default> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010217113823.021498a0@pop3.htcomp.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20010217133259.0219e910@pop3.htcomp.net> Subject: Re: Darwinian evolution vs memetic evolution Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:04:55 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
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From: Mark Mills <mmills@htcomp.net>
> At 10:49 AM 2/17/01 -0800, you wrote:
> >But the idea of a memetic germ line is still a problem. Memory
> >organization does not pass directly from person to person, while genes
> >and chromosomes do pass directly from parent to child.
> Maybe the term 'ontogenetic replicator' would make more sense? That's the
> model I'm suggesting.
> Once ontogeny starts, the organism begins memorizing. The memory
> structures that can be replicated are memes. Consider the notion of an
> 'object-oriented database' with multiple levels of organization and the
> ability to bootstrap itself. That's the model I have in mind. An
> object-oriented datastructure that builds itself.
> The fact that cellular replication uses source DNA does and memetics uses
> sources itself does not change the parallel nature of the activity.
> I think the recent publication of human genome findings supports this
> objected oriented, bootstrapping datastructure concept. Both memes and
> genes use it. The difference is their substrates.
Hi Mark,
Same argument here for you as for Bill. Your ontogenetic replicator concept
seems to be following the lines of what I see as the fractal structure of
evolution....(L )amarckain/ (D )arwinian...and so on...L/ D/ L / D/...
Strange though, that having lesser genes than expected had to come to
this...but I like it !!
Maybe I do not have to stop thinking stuff like this after all...
Best,
Kenneth
( I am, because we are) back on track
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