RE: Darwinian evolution vs memetic evolution

From: Lawrence DeBivort (debivort@umd5.umd.edu)
Date: Sat Feb 10 2001 - 00:07:28 GMT

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    From: Scott Chase

    >LdB:
    >
    >I like your animation metaphor: one of the measures of the success of the
    >meme is the fidelity with which the successive copies are made.

    SCott:
    Here we go with the analogies again. Words like "mutant" and "hybrid"
    suggest something akin to genetic phenomena. "Fidelity" and "copy" suggests
    that there is something atomizable.

    At least with genes one can make comparisons between sequences at the
    genetic level or in some instances compare discrete effects at the
    phenotypic level. One can even look at relationships of dominance and
    recessiveness or construct a Punnett square.

    How does one compare "memes" to establish a percentage of similarity or
    copying fidelity or are these just hopeful analogies? Can we establish a
    mutation rate for "memes"?

    Do "memes" evolve by duplication and divergence?

    LdB:

    It is not difficult to specify/identify the structure of a meme
    linguistically, and then track that structure as the meme spreads,
    monitoring whether the structure remains the same or changes as it goes
    through each step of the dissemination. I'm not sure this structure has the
    degree of resolution of that of a gene, but in my experience it is
    sufficient for memetic tracking. So, yes, fidelity can be tracked, as can a
    meme's pattern of change during dissemination in a population.

    I think a single mutation 'rate' might be established for a meme, but this
    requires some formula that would capture the relationship among the parts of
    the structure of the meme, and I have not tried to do this, as my interest
    is in how the elements of the structure change. Different parts might mutate
    at different rates, for example, and a composite mutation rate may be of
    less interest than what is happening to the parts.

    Has anyone on this list tried establishing a composite mutation rate for a
    meme? Any success?

    - Lawrence

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