Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id EAA10811 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 6 Feb 2001 04:04:47 GMT From: <joedees@bellsouth.net> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 22:08:19 -0600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Darwinian evolution vs memetic evolution Message-ID: <3A7F2453.32389.475E56@localhost> In-reply-to: <20010205201709.A1149@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <3A7EAD06.3791.B6A566@localhost>; from joedees@bellsouth.net on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 01:39:18PM -0600 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On 5 Feb 2001, at 20:17, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 01:39:18PM -0600, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > On 5 Feb 2001, at 19:05, Robin Faichney wrote: > > > I'm an
> absolutely convinced compatabilist, myself. When the concepts > > are
> properly understood, and differences between alternative > >
> explanatory frameworks are fully realised, the naive realist position
> > > that free will has to be either an objective fact or pure illusion
> is > > left far behind -- we can see that we're free in some senses
> and not > > in others. > > > We're neither absolutely free nor
> absolutely determined; Sartre's > position of absolute freedom was
> refuted by Merleau-Ponty, who > stated that freedom could only
> manifest itself within a field of > unfreedom with which it could be
> compared and contrasted - > otherwise, both terms are rendered bereft
> of meaning, since they > only derive meaning from each other, as
> correlative opposites > concerning one's lived situation. We are free
> to type emails, but > not free to teleport ourselves to Mars.
>
> I did not say we are free only to do some things, or only to some
> extent -- that is so obvious as to be needless to say. What I said
> was, we are free only in some senses.
>
Well, obviously some of us are free enough to choose to consider
themselves unfree, or was that complex web of neuronal dynamism
forever set at the instant of the Big Bang, too?
>
> --
> Robin Faichney
> robin@reborntechnology.co.uk
>
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