Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id LAA01424 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:27:44 GMT Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 09:52:22 +0000 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels for memes Message-ID: <20010203095222.A1161@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745C2C@inchna.stir.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745C2C@inchna.stir.ac.uk>; from v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:58:40AM -0000 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:58:40AM -0000, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> >
> I'm not disputing that one basic conception is of one person seeing
> another person doing something, thinks "hey that's neat" and then does it
> themselves. What I was disputing, which wasn't your point as I
> acknowledged, was the notion that the medium through which someone sees
> another person doing something is irrelevant. It quite clearly isn't
> irrelevant, and that's what makes the memes solely in minds idea problematic
> for me, but again, I know that's not what you're saying.
OK. Sorry I didn't really take that on board.
> <I hope you don't think I think memes are supernatural! Have you
> noticed
> > the word "information" occuring now and again in my posts?>
> >
> Yes, but information stored where and how, and how does the form of
> storage affect it?
It is stored in brains, expressed ("stored" in a very fleeting way)
in behaviour, and through behaviour, stored in artifacts including not
only books and CD's, but also anything that betrays a trace of how it
was made and/or what it is for. The form of storage obviously imposes
limitations on the information that can be stored. You can't get 100
minutes of music on an ordinary audio CD! But allowing for any and all
types of encoding, such limitations can, in principle at least, be largely
transcended. Brain and behavioural storage don't have such flexibility
of encoding, and so have more strict limitations. In addition, brains and
behaviour are both dynamic media, and within them there can be interaction
between memes, and also interactions between memes and many other factors,
such as genetically inherited tendencies, etc, etc.
Does that answer your question? :-)
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