Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id NAA25489 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:00:50 GMT Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:36:35 +0000 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels for memes Message-ID: <20010201123635.A487@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745C25@inchna.stir.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745C25@inchna.stir.ac.uk>; from v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:45:53AM -0000 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:45:53AM -0000, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> <Sorry Vincent, but while I sympathise that we might be ignoring
> your
> > expertise, I don't see that anything you say here impacts the main
> > issue: the informational nature of the meme and its transmission.
> > If we can agree on that, then we can address the complexities of mass
> > communications.>
> >
> Perhaps, I guess it's a question of where one's emphasis lies in
> relation to the memetic process. If it's internal then indeed outward
> communications processes may matter little or not at all.
You think maybe my emphasis is internal? Haven't you seen any of my
messages in this very thread???
My point above is not that these complexities don't matter generally, just
that we need to get the basics clear before going on to deal with them.
In particular, if we agree on the information transmission model, then
we can deal with these complexities using communications theory, which
is a big plus!
> But is it imitation or something else, like social learning?
Imitation need not be direct. The word can be used wherever there is
a similarity between stimulus and response. Again, this is broad brush
stuff, and I'm deliberately avoiding the detail.
> Do
> children copy the beliefs of their parents, or are they taught them?
For my present purposes, there's no significant difference.
> When a
> child prays before going to bed at night do they pray to the same God as
> their parents?
The fact there may be differences is irrelevant. All we need for memetics
is that there are also similarities.
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