Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id SAA21838 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:50:18 GMT Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:00:53 +0000 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels for memes Message-ID: <20010131150053.B11570@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <20010131133849.AAA29871@camailp.harvard.edu@[128.103.125.215]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <20010131133849.AAA29871@camailp.harvard.edu@[128.103.125.215]>; from wade_smith@harvard.edu on Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 08:40:01AM -0500 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 08:40:01AM -0500, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> On 01/31/01 04:53, Robin Faichney said this-
>
> >But Mozart wrote {\em an\/} opera called The Marriage of Figaro, no matter
> >how many productions of it have subsequently taken place. Though every
> >production is probably slightly different, these are considered versions
> >of the same opera, rather than different operas, due to what they have
> >in common: the information they share. A particular performance of it
> >remains just that---a particular performance---even if it was recorded,
> >and thousands of CD's made.
>
> (What is {\em an\/}...?)
It's an "_an_".
> There are schools of philosophy and aesthetics that quite bluntly and
> explainedly deny that a work, like Mozart's Figaro, has an original and
> separate entity from its performance.
Except insofar as it might indicate I chose a bad example -- and you
haven't yet convinced me of that -- I don't believe this is relevant.
I'm not saying The Marriage of Figaro has a Platonic existence, just
that the information that different productions and performances
share can validly be considered a singular item (though it obviously
can be broken down into subitems).
> I just saw the Boston Premiere of a Rodrigo piece for guitar and flute.
> It was not described as the premiere of the performance, but the premiere
> of the work. There is an identity to a piece of music that remains
> uncomplete until it is performed. What does a score and its performance
> have in common...?
Information, of course! :-)
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