Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id SAA21843 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:50:21 GMT Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:55:56 +0000 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels for memes Message-ID: <20010131145556.A11570@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <20010131134655.AAA1681@camailp.harvard.edu@[128.103.125.215]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <20010131134655.AAA1681@camailp.harvard.edu@[128.103.125.215]>; from wade_smith@harvard.edu on Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 08:48:06AM -0500 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 08:48:06AM -0500, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> On 01/31/01 06:03, Tim Rhodes said this-
>
> >(I.E.: That in memes the "outside existence" can introduce variation
> >into the replicator, but in genes this is most assuredly not the case.)
>
> Unless you consider 'outside' to mean things like mutation from
> environmental issues, such as radiation, or biological agents, which,
> IMHO, you should. We can pass our genes in all the usual ways, and sex
> will create a new genetic entity, but, we are not the sole influencers-
> there are many other 'outside' things which can vary our replicators.
Only by affecting the DNA, though. Which, I believe, is consistent
with what Tim was saying. Memes can be and are changed while in the
"external" (behavioural) phase, but the same doesn't apply to the
phenotypical "phase" (not that I believe it is one) of the gene.
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