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> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of Gatherer, D. (Derek)
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2001 12:35
> To: 'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'
> Subject: RE: ....and the beat goes on and on and on...
>
>
>
> Chris:
> Ah I get you. Well you could read Aristotle or any logic book (Ask Joe for
> refs :-)) The act of particularising brings out the fundamental A/~A
> processing ......
>
> [snip]
>
>
> .......convertable to more local terms of WHO and WHICH,
> both out of WHAT, and WHEN and HOW, both out of WHERE) has the above
> discussed characteristics as BASIC levels of meaning and to develop AI
> systems with a sense of 'meaning' you start here. :-)
>
> Derek:
> No, that's not what I was asking. What I want to know is what is the
> _neurological_ evidence that we obtain _meaning_ (not just visual
> processing) from 'what/where'.
>
Ok.. have a look at Pettigrew's work. The oscillations between the
hemispheres where we can show 'what' as more left and 'where' as more right
(biases of course, left is better at single context, the POINT, the
particular, manic etc). Out of these oscillations, where there is an
accumulated BIAS in the time spent in one hemisphere or the other, you find
that the characteristics of the hemisphere with the MOST accumulated time
become expressed in behaviour and that includes deriving MEANING.
Jack's particular work deals with manic-depression and interpretations of
reality are 'clouded' by the biases in these oscillations. Depression is
strongly relational (where), context sensitive, diffuse when compared to the
mania, the 'precision' or 'detail', the WHAT biased emphasis of the left.
see http://www.uq.edu.au/nuq/jack/jack.html read the paper on hemisphere
switching.
I think his work is good in the context of close to the dynamics of
everyday, everyminute. You could go through some of Demazio's books ... and
there is one paper he did dealing with the specific feeling of 'right' or
'wrong' and syntax processing. (found to be in left in most. Do you want
that ref?). The emphasis is on 'correctness' and is at the known/unknown
level of processing.
See Posner's book on depression/schizophenia and PET, fMRI where S is linked
more to mania, 'intense' linkage within, self bias. (left bias/frontal
lobes).
I can get more if this is not good enough but not off the top of my head :-)
Chris.
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