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From: "Chris Lofting" <ddiamond@ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: RE: ....and the beat goes on and on and on...
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> > Of Gatherer, D. (Derek)
> > Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2001 12:35
> > To: 'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'
> > Subject: RE: ....and the beat goes on and on and on...
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris:
> > Ah I get you. Well you could read Aristotle or any logic book (Ask Joe for
> > refs :-)) The act of particularising brings out the fundamental A/~A
> > processing ......
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >
> > .......convertable to more local terms of WHO and WHICH,
> > both out of WHAT, and WHEN and HOW, both out of WHERE) has the above
> > discussed characteristics as BASIC levels of meaning and to develop AI
> > systems with a sense of 'meaning' you start here. :-)
> >
> > Derek:
> > No, that's not what I was asking. What I want to know is what is the
> > _neurological_ evidence that we obtain _meaning_ (not just visual
> > processing) from 'what/where'.
> >
> Ok.. have a look at Pettigrew's work. The oscillations between the
> hemispheres where we can show 'what' as more left and 'where' as more right
> (biases of course, left is better at single context, the POINT, the
> particular, manic etc). Out of these oscillations, where there is an
> accumulated BIAS in the time spent in one hemisphere or the other, you find
> that the characteristics of the hemisphere with the MOST accumulated time
> become expressed in behaviour and that includes deriving MEANING.
>
> Jack's particular work deals with manic-depression and interpretations of
> reality are 'clouded' by the biases in these oscillations. Depression is
> strongly relational (where), context sensitive, diffuse when compared to the
> mania, the 'precision' or 'detail', the WHAT biased emphasis of the left.
>
> see http://www.uq.edu.au/nuq/jack/jack.html read the paper on hemisphere
> switching.
>
> I think his work is good in the context of close to the dynamics of
> everyday, everyminute. You could go through some of Demazio's books ... and
> there is one paper he did dealing with the specific feeling of 'right' or
> 'wrong' and syntax processing. (found to be in left in most. Do you want
> that ref?). The emphasis is on 'correctness' and is at the known/unknown
> level of processing.
>
> See Posner's book on depression/schizophenia and PET, fMRI where S is linked
> more to mania, 'intense' linkage within, self bias. (left bias/frontal
> lobes).
>
> I can get more if this is not good enough but not off the top of my head :-)
>
He doesn't even know how to SPELL "Damasio"! How can he
claim to have read him?
>
> Chris.
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