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Subject: Re: DNA Culture .... Trivia?
From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
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> On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 08:33:30AM -0600, Joe E. Dees wrote:
> > >
> > > Now, how about accepting that the most elegant solution to the L/G
> > > dichotomy is to view memes as items of information that are differently
> > > _encoded_ in both brain states and behaviours?
> > >
> > I don't see a dichotomy, as I don't see L memes and G memes as
> > mutually contradictory, but rather as the complementary stages of
> > a meme's life cycle. The moment either disappears, the meme is
> > (eventually) doomed. If it lives inside one's mind but one forbears
> > to express it, it dies when the inexpressive carrier dies. If it is
> > expressed by that mind but never absorbed by others, it still dies
> > when the unconvincing carrier dies. It must go, as Mama's
> > squeezebox does (the Who), in..and out..and in..and out..etc.
>
> Yes, L and G are complementary stages, but of what, exactly? What is
> this unitary meme that has these different forms? I say it is an item
> of information that has different encodings.
>
Sure it's information, but more than that, it is meaningful
information; its meaning (what it is) corresponds with its utility
(what it does). Information bereft of meaning could not establish
and exploit a niche in the meaningful gestalt which is its cognitive
environment. it must be assimilated to and assimilate, and
accommodate itself to and accommodate, that environment, that is
to say, that it must at one and the same time adapt itself to that
environment and adapt that environment to itself. Since the
informational environment is a meaningful one, so must our entity
be in order to effect this assimilative/accommodative adaptation.
> --
> Robin Faichney
> robin@reborntechnology.co.uk
>
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