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Subject: Re: DNA Culture .... Trivia?
From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
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> On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 11:02:32PM -0600, Joe E. Dees wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 04:29:58PM -0000, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Physicists today aren't giants, for the most part standing on Einstein's
> > > > shoulders, biologists (and all variations thereof) are standing on Darwin's
> > > > shoulders, psychologists (many rather reluctantly) on Freud's shoulders etc.
> > > > etc.
> > >
> > > Tell that to a gathering of academic psychologists and they'll string
> > > you up from the nearest lamppost, Vincent.
> > >
> > Many psychoanalysts still follow one of the biggies or other (Freud,
> > Jung, Adler, Erickson, Rogers, Maslow, Laing, May, Fromm, etc.),
> > or even the behaviorist model (Watson, Skinner, etc.) but there
> > have been a few revolutions in psychology since those days, for
> > instance cognitive psychology and evolutionary psychology.
>
> No, not merely "revolutions since those days". I studied in a
> predominantly experimentally-oriented department, and most people there
> would tell you Freud no played no part whatsoever in the intellectual
> history of their discipline. I never heard his name mentioned -- nor
> any other name in that list besides Rogers and Maslow, and they were
> merely mentioned in passing -- until, in my last year, I fell in with
> the "black sheep" of the department and was assigned an essay on Freud.
> Of course, psychoanalysis and contemporary academic psychology are very,
> very different beasts. And no self-professed psychoanalyst will have
> anything whatsoever to do with behaviourism, nor vice versa. These are,
> in effect, different disciplines, rather than different developmental
> stages of one discipline.
>
The behaviorist-influenced psychiatrists and psychoanalysts (and
they are a distinct minority) mainly embrace either SPC (self-
programmed control) where the patient is both the conditioner and
the conditionee, or some pop "get off your lazy ass and do it",
derivation of Glasser's Control Theory, although a few are influence
by Albert Bandura's social psych. My ex-wife is a counseling
psychologist (which is totally unlike experimental or clinical
psych), and she considered herself a Rogerian. And we haven't
even mentioned developmental psych. yet (although it is the
diachronic wing of cognitive psych), where Piaget and his progeny
still hold sway, although the evolutionary psychs are beginning to
leaven that ontogeny with a little phylogeny.
> --
> Robin Faichney
> robin@reborntechnology.co.uk
>
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