Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id OAA01287 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:48:57 +0100 Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745A8D@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: the conscious universe Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:46:27 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Don't get me started on Thatcher :-)!
She was anti-society because she was an individualist, concerned more for
individual gain than on the social consequences of individual gain (which
she assumed was self-evidently that everyone would benefit, e.g. trickle
dowm economics).
So... Thatcher was a hard headed subjectivist!?
Vincent
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> From: Robin Faichney
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Monday, October 9, 2000 7:57 pm
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: the conscious universe
>
> On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 12:50:03PM +0100, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> > ...
> > many human behaviours indicate assumed (or agree) intersubjective
> agreement.
> > How do we ever agree amongst ourselves?
> >
> > That's the problem with the subjectivist outlook in my view, since it
> denies
> > the evident consensus in human behaviour e.g. the current Serbian
> > revolution- why did it happen at that point in time.
>
> I really don't think it's right to view subjectivism as necessarily,
> or even probably, hostile to intersubjectivity. As somebody already
> said (Richard?), in practice it's the objectivists who are more likely
> to be individualists, and deny the significance or even the reality of
> social phenomena. Mgt Thatcher said "there is no such thing as society".
> Would you say she tended more towards touchy-feely subjectivity or
> hard-headed objectivity?
>
> --
> Robin Faichney
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