Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id AAA03056 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:37:59 +0100 Message-Id: <200010042339.TAA21456@mail1.lig.bellsouth.net> From: "Joe E. Dees" <joedees@bellsouth.net> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:40:17 -0500 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: the conscious universe In-reply-to: <20001004172346.C10495@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745A6B@inchna.stir.ac.uk>; from v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:55:04PM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
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Subject: Re: the conscious universe
From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
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> On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:55:04PM +0100, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> > Consciousness resides, as I think Joe
> > has already said, in the neurological tissue of the body, principally, but
> > not necessarily exclusively in the brain.
>
> Only in philosophy does a rank outsider think he's perfectly entitled
> to stand up and spout off without having bothered to take one class or
> read one book -- or one paper -- in the relevant area.
>
I hope that this is not directed at me, Robin; I HAVE taken
graduate level classes in biological psychology and HAVE
extensively read in the field.
>
> I just wrote a couple of paragraphs, then deleted them. I'm tired of
> this. If you're so keen to stick with your current views, why should I
> bother?
>
> My last word on this subject: IF you're really interested in consciousness
> for its own sake, rather than just as a tool to bash what you view as
> non-rationality, then get Max Velmans' book Understanding Consciousness.
> His views are not as close to mine as I first thought, but I agree with
> the quote on the cover saying it is "an exceptionally lucid and balanced
> account of the different approaches to and aspects of the problem".
> (Prof Jeffrey Gray, Institute of Psychiatry, London) In particular, he
> appreciates that subjective phenomena cannot be investigated objectively.
> And, of course, only objective phenomena can be located in time and space.
> When you've read that, or, for that matter, any other recent book in
> the same area, I'll be interested to hear what you think about it.
>
Actually, we can, through PET scans and fMRI's, directly correlate
with a high degree of statistical assurance changes in levels of
activity in specific areas of the brain with specific subjective
perceptions, thoughts and action-initiations, Such studies have
been done for some years now, and continue to hone in on more
precise differentiations.
>
> > >I just coined a new internet acronym, to join the ranks of BTW,
> > IIRC
> > >and RTFM -- DBFS. See if you can guess what it means. (Hint: it
> > has
> > >more in common with RTFM than the fact they're both FLA's (four
> > letter
> > >acronyms).)
> >
> > It's quite interesting that someone who on pain of death avoids
> > clarification or adequate definition of terms they use in wildly different
> > ways from established understanding of those terms, is able to find time to
> > make up abusive internet acronyms. It's a mark of intellectual and
> > psychological inadequacy and insecurity.
>
> That paragraph is more seriously abusive than anything I've written.
> I don't know why you felt it appropriate to react that way, and I'm not
> going to speculate. Bye for now.
>
> --
> Robin Faichney
>
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