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From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: mysticism etc
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> On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 07:30:21PM -0500, Joe E. Dees wrote:
> > >
> > > I've never heard or read anyone claim to have "felt" the consciousness
> > > of the universe. You persist in your delusion that you and the universe
> > > are two different things. The insight is that there's no good reason to
> > > take that view. If you're conscious, the universe is conscious.
> > >
> > If we're conscious, then discrete systemic parts of the universe are
> > (sufficiently complex to be) conscious.
>
> "Discrete systemic" is an oxymoron. To take the systems view is to stop
> pretending that parts are discrete.
>
Well, to take the systems view is to reject the idea that everything
is some single sort of amorphous mass. By discrete, I meant
distinct, differentiable, distinguishable. There are threshholds
between components of a system, which are breached during
exchange. Components are not nonrelational with respect to each
other, but neither are they seamlessly fused; they interrelate.
> --
> Robin Faichney
>
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