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From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: mysticism etc
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> On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 09:35:02AM -0400, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> > Hi Robin Faichney --
> >
> > >> The problem remains that the claims of mystics - to have 'felt' the
> > >> workings of the inner mysteries of the universe, range far from these
> > >> humble health benefits,
> > >
> > >"The workings of the inner mysteries of the universe" has no clear
> > >meaning, and so any claims regarding them cannot meaningfully be
> > >assessed.
> >
> > Let me rephrase then, plugging in the reduced substitution from your post-
> >
> > The problem remains that the claims of mystics - to have 'felt' the
> > consciousness of the universe, range far from these humble health
> > benefits....
>
> I've never heard or read anyone claim to have "felt" the consciousness
> of the universe. You persist in your delusion that you and the universe
> are two different things. The insight is that there's no good reason to
> take that view. If you're conscious, the universe is conscious.
>
If we're conscious, then discrete systemic parts of the universe are
(sufficiently complex to be) conscious. Not everything in it; or at
least we have no evidence to indicate so.
> --
> Robin Faichney
>
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