Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id NAA02569 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:36:49 +0100 Subject: Re: memetics and knowledge Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:32:37 -0400 x-sender: wsmith1@camail2.harvard.edu x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, Claritas est veritas From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu> To: "memetics list" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <20000918123401.AAA26251@camailp.harvard.edu@[128.103.125.215]> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On 09/18/00 07:29, Robin Faichney said this-
>the mystic has no bicycle (of whatever material) to 
>> offer the neophyte, and never did and never will.
>
>That's just a statement of your faith, isn't it.  Otherwise, let's see
>some evidence.
Well, my evidence is, that I have never seen nor heard of a bicycle (read 
symbol for _any_ technology) made by a mystic in a mystical fashion, uh, 
one who follows "the doctrine or belief that direct knowledge of God, of 
spiritual truth, of ultimate reality, or comparable matters is attainable 
through immediate intuition, insight, or illumination and in a way 
differing from ordinary sense perception or ratiocination."
Now, I'm totally aware that absence of evidence is not evidence of 
absence, but, I've been looking for a mystical bicycle for 49 years, and 
I ain't seen one yet, much less been offered a ride.
Correct me by showing me one.
But this is the same argument I've been making with astrologers for years 
and years. "Show me some product of your 'science', please" I ask again 
and again. And always again, they snort and turn their backs.
- Wade
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