Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id OAA02721 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:07:58 +0100 Subject: RE: solipsistic view on memetics Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:03:46 -0400 x-sender: wsmith1@camail2.harvard.edu x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, Claritas est veritas From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu> To: "memetics list" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <20000918130510.AAA8363@camailp.harvard.edu@[128.103.125.215]> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On 09/18/00 07:19, Vincent Campbell said this-
>failed to offer more than one, contested, example of mysticism's benefits
>over rationalism.
In Robin's, and any other mystically-inclined leaner's, defense, I don't 
think he ever really tried to offer a benefit, as such, that mysticism 
may have or not have over rationalism to produce workable knowledge of 
nature, but I may also be laying my own feelings about it over his words, 
something we humans tend to do, immunizing agents that we are.
I would suggest that the 'mystical communion' with nature is a teasing 
self-play, in the same way that any meditative state is, and that, since 
it is a common human experience (or common enough to have generated 
mystics), that, like in hallucinagin research, the biological state is 
what science needs to explore.
Mystic supporters may offer the system of breathing, chant, asceticism, 
and diet as a 'technology' to produce a mystical state wherein supernal 
knowledge is certain, but, this has been offered as well by chemistry 
majors working in their basements preparing for a rave. They may then 
mention that, like riding a bike, their system is not forgotten, and one 
advances in skill, whereas the ecstasy of the drug experience is left 
behind and only offered again (in diminishing returns) by a new dose of 
the drug.
So, in this realm at least, the realm of imaginative speculation and 
induced euphoric states, mysticism is a decided benefit- fewer side 
effects, more guaranteed efficacy, repeatable, and, educatable through 
mentoring.
- Wade
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