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From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 1:27 PM
Subject: changing threads
> Hi Kenneth, I hope your holiday was good. [the 'holiday' is a pretty good
> meme isn't it? Particularly the 'holiday abroad' meme]
<< It is a nice meme, nothing to do, just thinking how my memes went round
in my head...but it is not over, I am due to go to work again the 26 of
August,
so...don 't worry, be happy...
By the way, the discussion about that grazy animal with that spider, did it
stop !? The last post about it was on 5 August, is that correct !?
Now, to our wild imaginings...why not, it is fun...!
> I think I might of mentioned it the other day, but there does seem to be
> something in the notion of the 'nation', if we accept Benedict Anderson's
> notion of the nation as an 'imagined community', that is inherently
memetic.
<< Strange effects, here though !!
The notion of the " nation " , not only accordingly Chomsky, is just an
issue
which has ONLY ONE real idea and that is to secure the nation and that is
to secure the interests of the American industry and economy.
That is in shrill contrast with those fundamentalistic groups you mentioned,
more in particular those of the para-military- kind.
Those groups believe that the American governement is selling out the
land to anyone who is not ' a real American ' (what that may be).
How is this to understand in the context that American are above all true
believers of their own superiority !?
IMHO it would mean that those Americans believe that they are then more
superior to fellow- Americans !? I believe strongly that America, while they
try to deal with the problems of the world, has overlooked problems in its
own borders. And in that respect, if you look at those military- movements,
America will be in for big surprises if someday the bomb goes off.
(I believe the Oklahoma bomb was placed by one of those guys...see also
the Internet, you can easily find propaganda, see also the American Nazi-
Party, and what they have to tell about the American governement_unbelie-
ble....! )
In that respect, where did those memes came from, something had to change
in the way those people looked at their governement...and not only them, as
you mentioned the EU is full of concerns, but does little to nothing about
it.
What are their memes, European or Americanised, if the last we are in
trouble.
If the first, what reason would they have not to stop America !?
Afraid that the trade balance would collapse perhaps !? Maby...
But, in that case, I saw a television show this week, on BBC- world, where
a lady close to the British governement argued over how computers changed
our ways. She said that they changed not very mush the ways we do buniness,
they did not changed our ways we organise ourselves, that in straight
opposite
to a journalist who said, and I agree on that, that we don 't have the
feeling,
the notion of the ' nation ', there was no British Microsoft, no British
Ford,...
companies/ trade-markets which the American governement subsidized very
hard...the Americanisation was sucked in with the American milk...
IMHO I think we lack this,...and if we ever possess it, we are nationalists,
and worse social-nationalists...
Regards,
Kenneth
( I am, because we are)
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