Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id PAA19445 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:48:19 +0100 Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D310174596C@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: chimps at Blair Drummond Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:46:09 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Just to add this. A friend sent it to me-
The following might be of interest (from
http://www.edge.org/discourse/mirror_neurons.html);
Chimps in Madras zoo live in a very large island surrounded by a moat. I
was chatting with the keeper on one side of the moat when a chimp ran
towards the edge of the island where we were making frantic sounds and
gestures. He (or she) then seemed to beckon us to follow him around as he
ran towards the other side of the island.
Having got there he reached for a large red stone and, to our amazement,
threw it at a vendor standing and grinning on the other side! The chimp
seemed very agitated, jumping up and down screaming. Seeing our
amazed expression one of the people in the vicinity came and told us what
had happened: The vendor had apparently hurled the red stone at
the chimp a few minutes earlier to tease him. Infuriated, the chimp had
come to "complain" to the Keeper and had done so by beckoning him to
his region of the island and throwing the red stone back at the vendor,
either as "revenge" or to "tell" the keeper what had happened. Perhaps this
episode had made me read more into Povinelli's earlier experiments than I
should have! (And perhaps there is a simple, less "anthropomorphic"
explanation of the Chimp's behavior). But my personal feeling is that the
question of Apes modelling other minds is still open despite Povinelli's
retreat
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> From: Mark M. Mills
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 6:55 pm
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: RE: chimps at Blair Drummond
>
> At 02:29 PM 7/25/00 +0200, you wrote:
> >True. There's definitely a research project in there.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Mark
>
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